720. Revolution in the Soviet Empire: Revenge of the Red Army (Part 2)

Three days into the Hungarian Uprising against the Soviet Union, had the revolution escalated nationwide? How did the Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev respond? And, with the threat of a Red Army invasion, would Hungary abandon the Soviet Pact? Join Dominic and Tom as they reach the violent denouement of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, and explain its bloody outcome. Join The Rest Is History Club: Unlock the full experience of the show – with exclusive bonus episodes, ad-free listening, early access to every series and live show tickets, a members-only newsletter, discounted books from the show, and access to our private Discord chatroom. Sign up directly at therestishistory.com. To read our new newsletter, sign up at: therestishistory.com/newsletters Advertise with us: Partnerships@goalhanger.com _______ Sign up to Revolut at revolut.com/trih and get £20 when you spend. 18+, end date 30/06/2027 and promotion T&C's apply. Revpoints T&C's apply. _______ Check out Ask the Archives at ask-the-archives.com and get started with Claude at Claude.ai/restishistory _______ Twitter: @TheRestHistory @holland_tom @dcsandbrook Video Editors: Jack Meek, Harry Swan + Adam Thornton Social Producer: Harry Balden Producers: Tabby Syrett & Aaliyah Akude Senior Producer: Callum Hill Executive Producer: Dom Johnson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The 1956 Hungarian Revolution was a pivotal Cold War event that shifted from a student-led protest into a nationwide uprising against Soviet influence. Despite a brief moment where Hungarian independence seemed secure, the Soviet Presidium, fearing a show of weakness and the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, ordered a massive military intervention that crushed the revolution and installed a new communist regime.

要点 1The revolution initially unified Hungarians of all classes under the demand for freedom and national independence from the Soviet Union.

要点 2Imre Nagy attempted to balance communist loyalty with national dignity, eventually declaring Hungary a neutral country and leaving the Warsaw Pact in response to Soviet troop movements.

要点 3The Soviet leadership was initially divided but ultimately prioritized the balance of power, fearing that withdrawing from Hungary would encourage Western imperialists and undermine their empire.

要点 4Operation Whirlwind involved 60,000 Red Army troops and thousands of tanks, resulting in massive civilian casualties and the destruction of large portions of Budapest.

要点 5The West provided no practical military assistance to Hungary, largely due to the distraction of the Suez Crisis and the risk of triggering a third world war.

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Since the early morning hours, Russian troops are attacking Budapest and our population. Please tell the world of the treacherous attack against our struggle for liberty. Our troops are already engaged in fighting. Help, help, help. SOS, SOS, SOS. The people have just overturned a tram to use as a barricade near this building. In the building, young people are making Molotov cocktails and hand grenades to fight tanks. We are quiet, not afraid. Send the news to the public of the world and say it should condemn the aggression.

The fighting is very close now, and we haven't enough guns in the building. I don't know how long we can resist. Heavy shells are exploding nearby. Above, jet planes are roaring. A shell, a shell just exploded nearby. Now there is heavy fighting in the direction of the National Theater, near us in the center of the city. In our building, we have youngsters of 15, men of 40. Don't worry about us. We are strong, even if we are a small nation. When the fighting is over, we will rebuild our unhappy country.

So those were telex messages sent from the Hungarian newspaper Szabad Nép, which, of course, as all of us who speak Hungarian know, translates as A Free People. And it was sent to the Associated Press newsroom in Vienna on the morning of Sunday, the 4th of November, 1956. And then just before 11:00 a.m., the line went dead, and the newsroom in Vienna heard nothing more. And Dominic, just one of the many tragic scenes from the denouement of the Hungarian Revolution, which is a maelstrom in the Cold War, of course, a turning point in the history of communism.

Although, I mean, how much of a turning point is interesting to debate. And we will explore these issues in today's episode. But first, could we have a reminder of what's going on? Because people remember that our previous episode was dominated by the charismatic swashbuckling the great blaze of charisma that was Imre Nagy. And I I looked up and I discovered it actually means Mr. Big. So like in Sex and the City. Or indeed Live and Let Die. Yeah, well that that reflects our different perspectives, doesn't it, Dominic?

It does, doesn't it? Also, I'll tell you what who else it reminds me of is um Yog, which is the name that Andrew Ridgeley called George Michael. Really? Yeah. Because it was Georgios, Yog. Right. Anyway, that's by the by. Remind us who Nagy is, why he's such a hero, or is he? Uh and what's going on? All right, we'll come to Nagy in just a sec. Just the big context. So last time we entered in in the 25th of October, 1956. And that was three days into this popular uprising against the communist regime that had ruled Hungary since the end of the Second World War.

And the revolution was originally inspired by intellectuals and students, so people with a lot of poet Linux. You can't leave it alone, can you? I can't. Even when they're heroic and fighting for freedom. It's just a knee-jerk thing now. I know. They're protesting against general repression and censorship, but then it became amalgamated with the anger of factory workers and peasants, people who had terrible working and housing conditions, low wages, high prices. And they felt that they were just downtrodden and they weren't being heard. And it's shot through with the sense of Hungarian patriotism, fury at their leaders' slavish loyalty to the Soviet Union.

And that of course was symbolized by the presence on Hungarian soil of so many Soviet troops. So last time two successive Stalinist leaders, Mátyás Rákosi and Ernő Gerő, were kicked out, and the man at the top, your hero, the sort of walrus-mustached family grocer look-alike, Imre Nagy, Mr. Big. And Nagy, to remind people, he's a very sort of stolid, dog-ged man. He's a party loyalist. He wants to save socialism, restore order. He is also a moderate who has been arguing for a kinder, gentler, more authentically Hungarian path to socialism.

So Nagy has been pulled in different directions. And spoiler alert, the tension between those two things will have tragic consequences for him. So as we heard last time, on the morning of the 24th of October, Nikita Khrushchev, the kind of paramount leader of the Soviet Union, ordered the Red Army to move into Budapest and restore order. There are an intense heavy resistance on the streets. They lost five tanks and 120 men that first day. And so as night falls on the 25th, the second day, there are massive crowds on the streets.

They're singing the national anthem, waving these Hungarian flags with the communist emblem cut out. And they are building barricades in preparation for the Soviet attack. Now, we've talked almost entirely about Budapest. But actually this is now a nationwide uprising. So in cities and towns across Hungary, there are big demonstrations. And they unite people of all classes. So workers, peasants, policemen, intellectuals, public officials, army officers, and so on. And in the cities, people are producing independent newspapers. They've taken over radio stations. Workers have taken over factories.

They're organizing public transport themselves. They're workers councils kind of taking charge of people's food, all of this kind of thing. And in the countryside, the peasants in the villages are organizing food supplies into Budapest to support the revolutionaries. So Simon Hall in his book on 1956 quotes a building worker who was driving through rural western Hungary on the 26th of October. And this building worker said, you know, wherever he drove, he could see people flying Hungarian flags in the villages and and peasants huddled around, you know, the single radio set in the village to try and find out what was going on.

And as he points out in his book, Simon Hall, there are often big differences between the workers in the cities and the peasants in the countryside. But what seems to unite all of these different people is the single word freedom. That's the word that comes up again and again. And it has different meanings, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, political freedom, or simply national freedom from what they see as the Soviet jackboot. Now, of course, all revolutions have different sides to them. You know, we've done however many episodes on the French Revolution.

There's idealism and enthusiasm, but there's also often a spirit of destruction. And this is true in 1956 as well. So by this point, there are reports from across Hungary of people destroying statues and war memorials, tearing down the red stars from buildings, breaking into communist party or secret police headquarters and things. And this is not a bloodless revolution, far from it. So the most famous incident, on the afternoon of Saturday, the 27th of October, western journalists were taken across the border from Austria to a little town of Tom?

Mosonmagyaróvár. Not bad. I mean, well, not good, to be fair. I think it's Mosonmagyaróvár. It's a very long word, but it's got Magyar in it. So I know what that means. That means Hungarian. Yeah, but you know what, Magyar is actually pronounced Magyar. Is it? Who knew? They did. Viktor Orbán knew, I suppose. Yeah, he'd know. And indeed, the new leader of Hungary, who's called we call Péter Magyar, but I think they would call Magyar. Magyar. Anyway, wow. I mean, you learn a lot on The Rest is History, don't you?

People must be astounded how much they're learning. When it's delivered with such authority. That's what people really like about this show. They can rely on us. All these journalists are taken to Mosonmagyaróvár, and they're taken to the mortuary, which is crowded with bodies. And the reason it's crowded with bodies is this. The day before, 1,000 people had marched on the secret police headquarters in this little town to demand the removal of the communist red star. They said, "Take the red star down and put the Hungarian flag up."

And the secret police commander at first seemed willing to talk. And he was talking to the crowd. Then suddenly he pulled out his pistol and he fired it in the air. And this was the signal. And his men opened fire from the secret police building with machine guns and hand grenades. At least 50 people in the crowd were blown or blasted to pieces. And the ground was strewn with their body parts. The survivors were not enormously pleased, it's fair to say. They went to the local army base and they persuaded the soldiers to give them weapons.

And they came back and they laid siege to the secret police building. Most of the secret police had fled. But two of them, two young men, were captured and lynched. And there's a hideous description of what happened to them in Victor Sebestyen's book on 1956. The crowd threw itself upon them. They were beaten until their bodies were bloody objects. Then they were split into pieces as if this had been the work of wild animals. So this is not, you know, it's not just sort of a fun and games revolution.

But anyway, let's return to Budapest and to our hero, Imre Nagy, who is now established in the parliament building as prime minister. And he obviously has been cast as the national savior in the story. And as we said, he's torn between various different impulses. He wants to defend the party, he wants to restore order, he wants to save socialism. But also he wants to stand up for Hungarian national dignity, and he wants to unite the country behind a kind of positive vision. And he has been talking to the emissaries from Moscow, Anastas Mikoyan, Armenian, and Mikhail Suslov, the chief ideologue, about what concessions he can make.

And they have said to him, "Look, if this is what it takes, tell people that you're going to have non-communists in the government. You know, we'll move almost backwards, as it were, towards a coalition." So on the 27th of October, that's what he announces. A new cabinet, most of them communists, but some of them from the old Smallholders Party. But it's a very familiar story in revolutions. If he 'd announced this a week ago, people would have said, "Unbelievable, what a tremendous moment." But on the 27th of October, it's a little bit too little, too late.

So there were still huge crowds and no sign of the sort of fighting with the Soviet troops dying down. The next day, the 28th, he offers more. He says, "I will recognize the just demands of the people. I'll order the security forces to stop firing. I will offer an amnesty to everybody who's been involved in this. And we'll do little symbolic things that will bring back the old national holidays and the old national flag. And on top of all that, I'll abolish the secret police. And now a big thing.

He says, "All Soviet troops will return to their barracks, and then we'll have talks with Moscow on the full Red Army withdrawal from Hungarian soil." Because that has become the issue that is the sort of symbolic center of this. This has become the one thing around which all Hungarians have now united. We want every last Russian soldier off Hungarian soil. And so there's a parallel there with the Suez Canal and the Egyptian desire to see the British removed from the the Suez own. Exactly so. Yeah.

So again, three days ago, this would have been absolutely enormous. Is it enough? Fighting does start to die down the next morning, and Soviet units do start returning to their barracks. But now outside Budapest, there are lots of kind of provincial councils, the workers councils, that have been set up. And they're keeping up the pressure. And they say, "We want to see the Red Army out immediately. We want elections. You know, we want free elections." So on the afternoon of the 30th, Nagy goes even further.

He says, "Okay, fine. We'll abolish the one-party communist state. I'm going to form an entirely new coalition government. There'll be social democrats, there'll be people from the old National Peasants' Party, there'll be smallholders and communists. I'm going to start talks with Moscow immediately about withdrawing all of their troops. So basically I'm giving you everything you want." And it seems to work. By the next day, which is the 31st of October, so now the Suez Crisis in Egypt is in full swing, the Egyptians are fighting to hold back the Israelis in the Sinai, Britain and France preparing to start their air attacks.

But in Hungary, there is a sense that the drama is coming to an end now. In fact, on the streets there is now a sense of national euphoria. They've won almost everything they wanted. They have new political parties. They have new independent newspapers. There is this great sense of freedom. Budapest, the capital, is being run by a revolutionary council, not led by communists, but led by people from the old Smallholders and Social Democratic Parties. And on the 30th of October, the New York Times correspondent begins his report home with the words, "The Hungarian people seem to have won their revolution."

So an extraordinary story, and there's more extraordinary things to come. Because in Moscow, in the Kremlin, the Soviet Presidium had been meeting every day to discuss the news from Budapest. And contrary to the sort of stereotype, which is they're all hard-faced, you know, militaristic, imperialistic, repressive, all of this, most of the Presidium agree, "We need to play this really carefully. What we don't want is for everybody in the rest of the world to see us as repressive imperialists." No, heaven forbid. But of course, they don't see themselves that way.

This is it's an important point, mate, right? They do they genuinely don't see themselves that way. Of course not. So on the 30th of October, when they're discussing it, Marshal Zhukov, you know, Jason Isaacs in The Death of Stalin, the hero of the Second World War, says, "We do not want to go down, quote, the military path of occupation. We should have a negotiated end to all this." Zhukov says to his colleagues, "We should withdraw troops from Budapest, and if necessary, we should withdraw from Hungary as a whole.

I don' want to get into a massive war with the Hungarians. If this is the way to keep them in the tent, then this is what we'll do." And so that evening, the Kremlin released an extraordinarily conciliatory statement. "We want peaceful coexistence, friendship, and cooperation with Imre Nagy's government. We have ordered our troops back to their bases, and we are perfectly happy to talk to the Hungarians about the Red Army leaving their territory." And again, the slight parallel with the British attempt to get the Arab countries that had been in the British Empire to sign up to this new military kind of Middle Eastern NATO.

Yeah, I mean, I I I suppose I'd never really thought of it that way. But um I suppose you could I suppose you could say it that way if you wanted. Yeah. Why not? I do. I'm throwing that into the mix. Why not throw it into the mix? Brilliant. So this is creative historical thinking happening on the hoof. Oh, that's great. Yeah. It's the spontaneity that is so electrifying. That's podcasting. It is. And this is elite podcasting. Right, so The next day, the Hungarians feel like they've won.

The 31st of October, Imre Nagy addresses crowds from the parliament. He says, "The revolution of which you were the heroes has been won. We are living in the first days of our sovereignty and independence." The next day, the 1st of November, in the White House, the US Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles, who we met last time when we were talking about Suez, he briefs President Eisenhower. He says, "As far as we can tell, the Soviet troops have definitively left Budapest and returned to their barracks.

Brilliant. We don' need to worry about this anymore. We can completely focus on Suez and basically giving the British and the French a massive kicking. The revolution is over and the Hungarians have won." But have they? Because even as this is happening, in Moscow, Khrushchev and his colleagues are having second thoughts. On the morning of the 31st of October, they met as usual, the Presidium, on the second floor of the Kremlin Senate Building. And they met at this long table, not quite Vladimir Putin's table, a sort of beige table, Khrushchev at the head, everybody sitting around.

And Khrushchev has not been sleeping. He later said that Hungary was like a nail being driven into my head. Now, it may seem weird to have sympathy for Nikita Khrushchev. The reason for this is that he's only really been Soviet leader for about a year. He emerged from a power struggle after the death of Stalin. His position is still pretty insecure. Which again is so like Eden. Isn't it? I mean the parallels are quite eery. Well, I suppose this is all politicians though. All politicians tend to be anxious about their rivals, worried about being outflanked, worried about looking weak.

But you know Eden has succeeded Churchill. Khrushchev has succeeded Stalin. They're both looking to kind of flex their muscles to you know show that they're strong. They can't afford to allow Yeah, you know fractious province says to make them look weak. It's a very fair comparison because they're the sim- the anxiety about looking weak which is so often an important thing in politics. I mean these are both brilliant examples of that, aren't they? And this is what's on Khrushchev's mind. This is why like Eden actually he can't sleep.

That's what made me think of it. That's the spontaneity of top podcasting. Podcasting gold. So he's had his latest report from Mikoyan and Suslov in Budapest. And when Khrushchev looks at it, he doesn't think oh brilliant this has ended wonderfully. He thinks this is terrible. The Communist Party has basically fallen apart. The factories across Hungary have shut down. Newspapers and radio stations have been taken over by rebels and I quote the political situation in the country and in Budapest is not getting better. It is getting worse.

That's not all. At this point Khrushchev has almost certainly, we can't be sure but almost certainly had reports of another massacre. This time in Budapest on the morning of the 30th of October. And basically what happened in this massacre, there are a group of revolutionaries that laid siege to the headquarters the Budapest kind of municipal Communist Party which is occupied by secret police and party officials. The secret police started shooting at them and they hit some bystanders in the crowd including women. Then there was a massive gun battle and the boss of the Budapest party who was a friend of Imre Nagy, a close friend of Nagy, he broke a cease-fire.

But while he was trying to organize a kind of full surrender and the evacuation of the building, insurgents broke into the building and they shot him and they shot his bodyguards. And then there was this horrendous scene where the people in the building, most of them were young army officers or young secret police officers, were led outside. It was captured by a photojournalist from Life Magazine, British journalist called John Sadovy. And you can see his pictures online and they are pretty, you know, haunting. These very young men are led outside, most of them are abs- clearly absolutely terrified and they are shot in cold blood in full view of the cameras at point-blank range.

23 of them were shot in all. Their bodies were beaten and mutilated and then they were strung up again in full view of the cameras from trees and from lamp posts and people spat on their bodies. As Sadovy the photojournalist said, I'd spent three years in the war man in the Second World War but nothing I saw then could compare with the horror of this. So Khrushchev has almost certainly got this report about this massacre happening to kind of party officials. Khrushchev is is not a a stranger to violence.

It's not like he's No. He's a shrinking violet or something. But this plays on his mind as does the fact that he's getting messages from other Communist countries to say what on earth is going on in Hungary. So the Chinese for example are saying are you lost your minds? You know Hungary is in complete chaos you're doing nothing about it. And even more significantly the other countries of the Warsaw Pact, you know, Czechoslovakia, Romania and so on, East Germany. They're very worried. If you open the door to multi-party elections in Hungary, or people will want them in Poland, they'll want them in Czechoslovakia.

There are reports already of student protests in some of these places. Most notably, Romania which has a big ethnic Hungarian minority population. There have been student protests in the city in the west of Romania not far from Hungary called Timișoara, actually a city that plays a massive part in the eventual revolution in 1989 and clashes with the security forces and so on. So the Kremlin is under pressure from all these people. And also when they look at it they say yeah they see everything in terms of the wider balance of power.

So Khrushchev now when they're all assembled there he says to his colleagues, "If we withdraw from Hungary, this would encourage the American, British and French imperialists. They would interpret it as a sign of our weakness and they would go on to attack. And our party would not understand us. Besides Egypt, we would be giving away Hungary too. So we have no other choice but to intervene." So in other words, this goes back to your point Tom, that as with the British in Suez, the motivation is if we don't do this we look weak and then we lose the rest of our empire.

What will other people think of us? We we don't want to necessarily get stuck in but we have feel like we have to. And of course because Suez has kicked off now, that does make Khrushchev's task a little bit easier. The west are divided and distracted. The Americans are basically massively fallen out with Britain and France. So if we were ever going to crack down on Hungary, this is the time. They would have done it though do you think anyway even if Suez hadn't been going on?

Yes. I think they might have done it later but I think they would have done it anyway. So Khrushchev says to his colleagues, "Okay, forget what what we said about withdrawing troops. Let us take the initiative in restoring order. We will flood Hungary with troops in the next few days. I want this to be led by another Second World War veteran, Marshal Ivan Konev. We will crush the revolution. We'll find a new Hungarian leader. Nagy is waste a space. Let's get someone we can really trust."

Now there is one person who really disagrees with him about all this. And this is Anastas Mikoyan, ice cream guy, ice cream Armenian. He flew in that night from Budapest and he is stunned when he realizes that they have decided to invade. After midnight, Mikoyan rang Khrushchev at home and he said, you know, basically got him out of bed and he said, "What are you doing? I want let's have another meeting. I want to make my case. We should not use force. I'm dead set against this whole thing."

And Khrushchev said to him, "Look, we've made the decision. We've established the timetable and we'd have to rip up the timetable for intervention if we meet again. Our whole plan would be ruined. I personally think we made the right decision and you're wrong." And then he hangs up. Communists, they love a plan. Yeah, but it's interesting, isn't it, because I think a lot of people think of the Communist leadership as top-down, repressive, monolithic, monolithic. And here they're ringing each other at midnight having shouting matches. Even more.

Khrushchev gets up the next morning, they live he lives like somewhere in the Sparrow Hills above Moscow. He gets up the next morning. He walks to his car which is a kind of Zil black limousine at the end of the drive and who's by the car? Mikoyan who lives basically next door. And Mikoyan says to him, "Before you get in the car, I'm telling you this is a terrible mistake. It will undermine the Soviet Union. It will undermine the image of Communism. If blood is shed, I don't know what I'll do with myself."

Mikoyan says. Well, I mean he's behaving better than Macmillan did. Or Suez and Lloyd. Yeah, he is the Harold Macmillan in this story but he's behaving much better. Yeah, that's absolutely true. Well, actually there's another candidate for the Harold Macmillan which we'll come to in a second. And Khrushchev says to him, "Look, you know, everybody else is telling us we've got to do this. The Poles, the Czechoslovaks, the Romanians, the Bulgarians, even Tito's telling us we've got to do this. Do you think this is easy for me?"

Khrushchev says. "We have to act. We have no other choice." And then he gets in the car. and off he goes to work. Now already rumors of the decision have started to reach Budapest. So as early as the 31st of October, there were reports that Soviet engineers were building bridges across the river Tiso, that motorized units were crossing into Hungary from the border with what's now Ukraine. And by the next day, the 1st of November, there are more reports, Soviet troops far from returning to their barracks, are actually moving in to secure the airports and there are tanks and thousands of reinforced units now coming across the borders from Ukraine and Romania.

And that morning, Nagy calls in the Soviet ambassador Yuri Andropov and he says, "What's all this? What's going on?" Andropov is totally impassive, not an unfamiliar thing with a Soviet or Russian ambassador. He's totally going to stone-faced and he says, "Just troop movements." Yeah, a routine troop movements before we withdraw all our troops from your country. And Nagy says, "I I'm not sure you're telling me the truth. And if you don't stop this, we will leave the Warsaw Pact immediately." And later that afternoon, they've now got confirmation Red Army is crossing the border in force.

Nagy meets his cabinet and they all agree, "Fine, we're going to withdraw from the Warsaw Pact. We're going to declare Hungary a neutral country." And they call Andropov back to tell him at 5:00. What do they think is going to happen? Do they seriously think that they can just slip the Soviet leash like that? It's really hard to say. So it was often s- it's often said, you see it repeated often in sort of popular accounts, the Red Army intervened to stop them leaving the Warsaw Pact.

That's not right. They only said they wanted to leave the Warsaw Pact after they knew the Red Army were about to attack them. And I think the point of them doing this, I think in an odd way Nagy thinks this might reassure the Kremlin because if he says we want to be neutral, we're absolutely going to be neutral, that might reassure them that he's not going to go over to the capitalist camp which might be their fear. I think that's mad. And that maybe they would look like martyrs in the eyes of the world, I suppose.

I mean you of course if you were being really hard-headed, if you were like that American professor John Mearsheimer who's always going on YouTube and saying Ukraine should surrender to the Russians or whatever, they're the realists, then you would say the Hungarians should have known that the Soviet Union was bound to crack down on them and they shouldn't have provoked them to this extent. They should have done basically what the Poles did and sort of yeah made it clear that they would stay in the embrace.

But I think the revolution has now got its own momentum and you know Nagy is a prisoner of that momentum to some degree. Anyway, they've called Andropov in to tell him it's 5:00 in the afternoon and they say we're going to you know leave the Warsaw Pact. And the new general secretary of the Hungarian Communist Party, János Kádár, we met him last time. He is Mercury guy. Yeah, Mercury. He'd been tortured exactly. And he's seen as the sort of occupying the center ground of the Communist Party.

He's not an an ultra moderate. He's not an a Stalinist. He's kind of in the middle. Kádár is very emotional and he says to Andropov, he says, "I have given my whole life to the Communist Party but if the Soviets attempt to intervene in Hungary with the use of arms," he says, "I will take to the streets with a pistol myself against Russian tanks and I would give my life for my country." Yeah, very sort of stirring Stirring, yeah. Like Churchill, you know, "If this long island story of ours should end, let us end only when we're all choking on our own blood on the ground."

All this kind of thing. And Andropov says, "I'm going to have to report all this to Moscow." Off he goes. And when he's gone, Nagy sends a telegram to the Secretary-General of the United Nations who was of course Dag Hammarskjöld. And he says, "Can the UN please um guarantee Hungarian neutrality? We're asking all the great powers, the United States, the Soviet Union, Britain and France." Great to see Britain on that list. I know, I was just thinking Why? Get in. Even as we're behaving badly. Yeah, but he knows that was just a blip.

Um to guarantee Hungarian neutrality. And then at that evening, Nagy goes on the radio and he says to the Hungarian people, "We are now a neutral country. We're leaving the Warsaw Pact." Now, invoking the United Nations is actually never going to work. Of course it's not going to work because the United Nations is completely distracted. This is the 1st of November 1956. Britain and France have launched their air war against Egypt. The General Assembly of the United Nations is arguing about whether there should be a cease-fire in Egypt and actually when Britain and France try to get change the subject and get them to talk about Hungary, the US Secretary of State John Foster Dulles says, "This is a smokescreen.

I know what the British and French are up to." Quote, "They want the limelight off them. I think it's a mockery for them to come in with bombs falling over Egypt and to denounce the Soviet Union. I want no part of it." No, the Americans would never bomb Middle Eastern country. Of course. The very idea. Of course. But actually even if Suez hadn't happened, the UN would have done nothing and the West would have done nothing. So the American radio station, American back radio station Radio Free Europe, you know, all this time has been encouraging young people in Poland and Hungary, "Rise up, you know, rise up against your oppressors.

One day the forces of freedom will liberate the captive nations of Eastern Europe." But the truth of the matter is they're never going to do anything to help them because you know the risk of provoking a third world war is too great. I mean we'll maybe come back to this after the break. Meanwhile in Budapest, the tragic denouement is fast approaching. So it's now dawn on the 2nd of November. There are 11 Soviet mechanized divisions inside Hungary. Soviet troops have taken control of the railway stations and bridges and junctions.

They've they've taken control of all the roads leading to Budapest. Nagy is sending these increasingly sort of helpless plaintive messages to the United Nations and the great powers. Rather pointlessly, he decides to reshuffle his government. So he's going to get rid of more Communists and he's going to bring in more of the opposition parties but not the Habsburgs. Bring the Habsburgs back. Well, that would be that is absolutely the thing he should have done. But while he is reshuffling his government, one of his aides says to him, "The former Interior Minister Ferenc Münnich and crucially the Communist Party General Secretary János Kádár have vanished.

Nobody has seen them since the meeting with Andropov, the Soviet ambassador, last night. We've been looking for them but we cannot find them anywhere." So what's happened to them? I mean a lot hangs on that question. So we will find out what's happened to them and the tragic end of this incredible story after the break.

This episode is brought to you by Anthropic and they're the team behind Claude. So Dominic, we have been doing The Rest is History now for almost six years. We've done over 700 episodes and one of the things that strikes me is that over the course of that time, certain historical figures have tended to crop up often in places where you wouldn't expect them. But you know what? Ask the archive which is built with Claude lets you search through the episode transcripts of the whole of The Rest is History and you can find where a person or a phrase or a subject has cropped up in the great oeuvre that is our show.

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Okay, so I win. Love that game. That's a great game. Isn't there not a sense in which we both lost because he should have been in more? No. He should be mentioned more often, shouldn' No, I feel that I won and I think that is the main thing. So that's brilliant. And the other thing that brilliant is that you know we're six years into it but all the information is out there. It's waiting to be searched and that is wonderful to know. Nothing in this show disappears, does it?

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Hello everyone and welcome back to The Rest is History. We ended the first half on a cliffhanger for the ages because with Marshal Konev's Soviet troops surrounding Budapest poised to strike, two of Imre Nagy's closest colleagues have vanished into thin air. A case for Chief Inspector Sandbrook with his incredible mastery of Hungarian. Brilliant, thank you uh and a detection indeed. So one of these men is Ferenc Münnich. So he was a veteran Communist. He'd fought as a prisoner of war for the Bolsheviks. People might remember him.

He's only been a sort of very side character in this. In the first episode, he was the bloke who gave the eulogy at László Rajk's funeral and said, you know, people have been staggering out of the swamp of the cult of personality or something. That's Münnich. But the other person more significantly has vanished is the party's general secretary János Kádár. So we heard from him just a couple of moments ago telling the Soviet ambassador Andropov that he would fight the Russian tanks himself, would give his life for his country if he had to.

And you will remember him from the last episode Tom. He was the friend of László Rajk. Mercury guy. Yeah, who was smeared with mercury, you know, who was had his fingernails pulled out, tortured, imprisoned for three years. And he is the person who is he's the other person who's vanished. Now And Kádár Kadar is is an absolutely central figure in modern Hungarian history and he's a riddle wrapped in an enigma. And he's the key figure in what happens at the end of 56. So it's worth us talking a little bit about him.

Who is this guy who's vanished? He was born Janos Camanic in Fiume, which is now Rijeka in Croatia in 1912. You see, I'm just looking at him. Yeah. I think he's a lot better looking than Rákosi. Do you? He's suave. He looks got a kind of yeah, he looks quite suave. Are you championing the wrong man though, Tom? That's the question. We're going to find out. Well, good looking people can be awful. That is possible. Well, we'll find out. So this guy, he was born Camanic.

His father was a Hungarian soldier in the Imperial Army, in the Austro-Hungarian Army, and his mother was a Slovak servant girl. They weren't married. When he was born, his mother followed his father back to Hungary and she was trying to persuade his father to do the decent thing and marry her, but he refused. So she ended up living in a little village near Lake Balaton with her son Janos. And they were very poor. And at the end of the First World War, she moved to Budapest and got work as a cleaner.

And little Janos he left school at 14. He worked as a servant for a pig herder. He worked as a newspaper boy and a delivery boy. Then he was homeless for a bit. And then he became an apprentice typewriter repairer. Then in 1928, Janos won a chess tournament. He was 16 years old and his prize was a book by Friedrich Engels called Anti-Dühring. Oh, goody goody. Mummy, look what I've been given. And it was a an explanation of I mean the Anti- the Anti-Dühring basically tries to establish Marxism as a scientific creed, to prove the scientific truth of Marxism.

When he lost his job in the depression, he became a full-time Communist activist and he was in and out of prison. And his alias, he decided to take the alias Cooper, which in Hungarian is Kádár. So this is how he became Janos Kádár. And he became very close to this bloke Rákosi. They became great pals and they were promoted together to the Hungarian Politburo at the end of the Second World War. Now there's a really interesting description of Kádár. I mentioned already a bloke called Sir Brian Cartledge, who was the British ambassador to Hungary and also to the Soviet Union in the '80s, I think.

And he wrote is written the sort of definitive English-language history of Hungary from start to finish, a massive book. And he met Kádár and he was he's really interesting about him. He says Kádár was a personally very modest man. He was low-key. He spoke quietly and simply. Kádár didn't think of himself as an intellectual. He genuinely saw himself as the kind of spokesman for the ordinary working people of Hungary. And Cartledge said of Kádár, "The key to him was not ideological Marxism. He wasn't the it wasn't his loyalty to the ideology, but his loyalty to the institution, to the party.

The true protector, or so he believed, of the interests and well-being of the Hungarian people. So every other consideration, quote, including those of morality and personal honor, were subordinate for Kádár to the interests of the party." So this is the guy who has vanished. What had happened to him was this. When he left that emotional meeting where he had said, "I'd rather die, you know, I will die if Russian troops invade our country." The other bloke, Andropov, said to him, "I'm going to the Soviet Embassy.

I think you should come with me and we can continue this conversation with the Soviet ambassador." They went to the Soviet Embassy and there Andropov said to them, "Look, I'm going to level with you. We are going to invade your country. And it's a fait accompli. There's nothing you can do to stop it. Nagy's game is up and he is done for," he said. And Andropov said, "Listen, I'll tell you what. I'll fly you to Moscow. You can come with me. You can talk to the Presidium yourselves in the Kremlin.

You can tell them what you think is going on in Hungary. And you can help us, our Soviet friends, to sort it out." And they said, "Okay." You know, who knows what's going on in Kádár's mind there when he gets on that plane. But anyway, he gets on the plane. They fly to Moscow. They land in Moscow. They're driven straight to the Kremlin to meet Khrushchev and the Presidium. And as Victor Sebestyen says in his fun book, I mean it says weird to say fun book, but it's a really dramatic book about the Hungarian Revolution.

Effectively, what's happening here is the Presidium are interviewing him for a job as the new dictator of Hungary. But Kádár doesn't seem to realize this because he's unbelievably honest with them. They say, "Well, what do you think about the revolution?" He says, "Well, to be honest, I kind of was for it because I'm a Hungarian patriot. And, you know, I felt like we had to make some changes. And everybody in Hungary, he says, wants to see your troops out. We want to see the back of the Red Army, me included."

He said to them, they said, "Well, we're we're about to about to invade." And he said, "Well, I think it's a very bad idea. Don't send in the tanks." I quote, "If you do this, the morale of the Communists will be reduced to zero. If order in Hungary is restored by force, the authority of the socialist countries will be eroded." You see how much he he care it always he is thinking about what's good for socialism, what's good for the party. And how do the how do the Russians take this?

Well, they're not I mean, they're not pleased to hear this, right? Because she's telling them that what they're doing is wrong. Khrushchev is still not sure is this guy the man. Khrushchev speaks to Tito and Tito says, "Oh, obviously you should pick this guy. The fact that this guy has stood up to you a little bit, you know, is that's exactly what you want." This guy, people in Hungary will say he's patriotic. He was tortured. He was smeared in mercury and people urinated in his mouth.

People in Hungary know this and they won't see him as just a Stalinist puppet. They know that he has suffered and they will give him a little bit of leeway because of it. So the obvious question is, why does Kádár himself go along with this? Is this just treachery from him? Lots of listeners may say, "Well, he sounds like a terrible person." A slight kind of Marshal Pétain. I suppose you could see it that way. Yeah. I mean, both Pétain and Kádár would say, I mean, by the way, I I despise Pétain, but both of them would say, "Well, the country's on its knees.

We were going to lose anyway. Country's on its knees. Somebody had to step up and do the dirty work Yeah. to try to bring us back." And I think reading about him, his reputation in Hungary today is very contested. But there are there are lots of people actually who are remarkably sympathetic. So I mean, lots of critics, of course, but there are lots of people who are also very sympathetic to him. And they would say, "Listen, he knows the revolution is doomed. He just wants to do the best for the party and he wants to rebuild his country."

So Kádár was in Moscow. Meanwhile, in Budapest, you know, the tension is at fever pitch. So by the evening of the 2nd of November, the Red Army has encircled the city. But the Red Army commanders are still keeping up a pretense that this is going to be solved by negotiations. And in fact, the next morning on the 3rd of November, senior Soviet commanders arrived at the Hungarian Parliament. They said, "We've just come to chat about the withdrawal of all our troops from your country." In fact, the talks actually went quite well.

And they said, "Well, we'll continue the talks this evening at Soviet military headquarters at the Tököl base, which is south of Budapest." And the Hungarians sent their military officers, their own commanders, to this base. And of course, you know what's going to happen. They walked in, they started the negotiations, clang. Yeah. Just before midnight, door opens and a load of Soviet KGB men walk in with carrying submachine guns. And they're under the personal command of the Soviet KGB chief Ivan Serov. And these Hungarian commanders are all put under arrest.

And just a few hours later, 4:00 a.m., Marshal Konev issues the signal Thunder 444, which is the code word to trigger Operation Whirlwind. And this is the basically the final occupation of Budapest. So immediately 60,000 Red Army troops and thousands of tanks begin to move into the city. And within an hour, they are closing in on the city center. They are meeting some resistance as they did before, but this time they have come in such an overwhelming numbers and they are absolutely determined they're not going to be taking any prisoners.

Now, Nagy could have ordered the Hungarian Army onto the streets to resist them, to fight back, but he decides not to. He decides it's pointless. We're outnumbered, we're out-gunned. I don't want to waste people's lives. And at 5:19 in the morning, he goes on the state radio. You can hear the gunfire in the background as he's talking. And he says, "This is the President of the Council of Ministers of the Hungarian People's Republic. Today at daybreak, Soviet forces launched an attack on our capital with the obvious intention of overthrowing the legal democratic Hungarian government.

Our troops are fighting. The government is in its place. I am notifying the people of our country and the world." So a little bit kind of Volodymyr Zelenskyy February 2022 kind of vibe to this. You know, the government is in its place. I'm not going anywhere. But the difference is that Kyiv held out in 2022, but Soviet troops are closing in very quickly on the parliament in Budapest. So a couple of hours later, Nagy and his family and about 30 of his close colleagues accepted an offer of sanctuary at the Yugoslavian Embassy.

At 8:00, Soviet tanks entered the Parliament Square and at 8:07, Radio Kossuth, the state radio broadcast its last message. It was a woman's voice. "Help Hungary. Help, help, help." And then it went off air. And that's not to say it was all done and dusted right there. So Marshal Konev's men did encounter some resistance from about 15,000 factory workers and students. But this time, unlike a week or so earlier, the Soviet troops were absolutely merciless. So whenever they encounter resistors, they hammer them with their tanks and with their machine guns.

There's artillery that is shelling kind of rebel positions. There are jet fighters strafing the city. And there are Western journalists on hand who are absolutely stunned and horrified by the carnage. So writer for France Soir, for example, describes tanks aiming at apartment buildings and just blasting them again and again. Six, eight, 10 cannon shots. The house is blown apart and crumbles. The inhabitants are either killed or lie wounded on the ground. How do they compare to the British and the French in Port Said? I think the British and the French are I mean, they they there are some civilian casualties, but nothing not on this scale.

Yeah, they're not they're not I mean, for one thing, they don't really have that many tanks and the tanks are not just absolutely pounding people's apartment buildings in the way that they are here. So anyway, by the evening of that first day, Konev's troops control most of the major, yeah, buildings and intersections and stuff in in Budapest. There are some rebels left. They hold on for a few more days, but the Soviet troops just hammer and hammer at them. If you look at the map of sort of central Pest, across a block of about 2 square miles, there are entire blocks of the city that are effectively destroyed.

Shops, apartment blocks, churches, hospitals, even a children's clinic. The streets are strewn with bodies. Now, one of the reporters there was a Communist, a British Communist called Peter Fryer, who was reporting for the Daily Worker, the newspaper of the Communist Party of Great Britain. And in his report, he wrote, "For four days and nights, Budapest was under continuous bombardment. I saw a once lovely city battered, bludgeoned, smashed, and bled into submission." And when he sent this and other reports home to the Daily Worker, not only did they refuse to print them, but the editor wouldn't let other members of staff even see them.

And Fryer was so horrified by this that he left the paper and of course the Communist Party in protest. And we'll come back to this aspect of the story in a second. So there are loads of heartbreaking appeals. I mean, you read one right at the beginning. In the final hours, this is another one picked up by a Vienna monitoring station on the afternoon of the 4th of November. It was the last message from another rebel radio station. "Civilized people of the world, on the watchtower of 1,000-year-old Hungary, the last flames begin to go out.

Soviet tanks and guns are roaring over Hungarian soil. Our women are sitting in dread. They still have terrible memories of the Red Army in 1945. Save our souls." But by the 11th of November, the guns are fallen silent. The revolution is definitively over. So about 2,700 Hungarians have been killed in the Soviet attack, more than half of those are civilians, 200 of them children, and tens of thousands injured. The Red Army lost about 700 men killed. There's also massive kind of refugee exodus. So about 200,000 people fled the country across the borders into Austria or Yugoslavia.

Some of them ended up in Britain and other European countries, but most of them ended up in Canada and the United States. Now, what's the rest of the world been doing? The rest of the world has been watching in horror and doing absolutely nothing, really. So there were big demonstrations across Europe, in most capitals. There are attacks on Soviet Embassies in some very unexpected places, in Luxembourg, in Iceland, in Switzerland, and so on. There were lots of office of help for Hungarian refugees. So in Simon Hall's book, he describes some some nice British examples, heartwarming British examples.

So there was a place in called Donington Hall in Leicestershire, sort of a big country house, that turned itself into a camp for 150 Hungarian children. There was a building firm in Wolverhampton, which built a free house, a semi-detached house for a Hungarian family. So much Wolverhampton history. So much Wolverhampton in this, but some would say not enough, frankly. I mean, if you obviously listen to the bonus series, you've had a bit extra. But I think we could have had more. At the end of the year, Time Magazine picked the Hungarian freedom fighter as Man of the Year.

Said the Hungarians fought bravely against the most brutal tyranny on Earth and have shaken history's greatest despotism to its foundations. That's how you ended up making Kermit the Frog's voice. No, I thought that sounded really good. Really? That was an excellent impression of a 1950s Cold Warrior. Yeah. Now the most famous example of solidarity with the Hungarians, the most sort of sentimental story, comes at the Melbourne Olympics. So a bit of Australian history on the podcast. And this is actually one of the most celebrated moments in the history of the Olympics.

So it's the Blood in the Water water polo match. Are you familiar with this match, Tom? I'm ashamed to say, I'm not. So it's the semifinal of the water polo and um the Hungarians were playing the Soviet Union. Oh, goodness. And the crowd, there were loads of kind of Hungarian Australians in the crowd. It was a very, very raucous occasion and it turned violent in the pool, which is why it was called Blood in the Water. The Hungarians won 4-0. It turned into a massive brawl, including the crowd.

And the Hungarians went on to win the gold medal. And half of the team promptly defected, refused to go home. So it's been made into a film, two films actually, this story, one of which was shown to George W. Bush in the White House. The obvious question is why I mean, it's all very well to have these fine words and water polo crowds, but why didn't the West give them any practical help? Third World War? Third World War, of course. For the Hungarians, though, this played into a familiar theme.

So in 1848-49, they'd risen against the Habsburgs. Their revolution was then crushed by the by Russian intervention in 1849. Well, we will be exploring the life of the Czar who commanded that. Yeah. Nicholas I, right? Nicholas I, the gendarme of Europe. Exactly. So the Hungarians, to some extent, this is a familiar story for them. You know, they try to rise up. People offer, you know, well-meaning sentiments, but they don't offer practical help. I mean, I suppose the Iranians might say the same. I think there are probably quite a few people who might say the same actually, Chinese in 1989, right?

So what was Eisenhower doing in all this? Eisenhower actually told his Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles, send a message to Moscow and tell Moscow we do not see the Hungarians as potential allies. Don't worry, we are not behind all this. You know, we're not doing this as a balance of power move against you. All of this. Now, of course, as the Hungarians themselves said, looked a little bit hypocritical because the Americans all through the late '40s and '50s had been talking about how they would help the captive nations of Eastern Europe.

And yet when it came to it, they would do nothing. This is actually what John Foster Dulles himself said in late October. Dulles said to his colleagues in Washington, "It will be said that here are the great moments and when they came and these fellows were ready to stand up and die, we were caught napping and we did nothing." I think he's not necessarily wrong. So the West did nothing. The revolution lost and what happened next just to tie up the story. So Kádár and Andropov, the turncoats, had been flown into Eastern Hungary on the morning of the 4th after the operation to retake Budapest had begun.

Kádár read a radio address to the Hungarian people. He said um "The revolution began, you know, it's an honest and patriotic thing, but it's been taken over by by reactionaries reactionaries and and fascists. fascists." So I'm assuming power at the head of an emergency worker-peasant government. I've asked the Red Army to help us crush the sinister forces of reaction. And after that, the Red Army will I promise the Red Army will leave. And he was then escorted into Budapest by Soviet tanks and sworn in as prime minister and installed in the parliament building, which is actually survived relatively unscathed from gunfire.

Now first Kadar's authority and credibility are pretty much non-existent. So he he basically tries to win over people by appearing to be moderate. In his first big speech, he promises them higher wages. He says, "I'll bring in a national holiday celebrating the heroes of 1848." He makes a series of other promises. He says, "Don't worry, I won't bring back the secret police." And there won't be any witch hunt against the people who were in the revolution. And actually, when the dust has settled, Kadar says, "We can have a multi-party system and I'd love to have us I'd love to see us have free elections.

That would be really nice." And what about um what about the Nagy stir? The Nagy stir is still in he's still in the Yugoslav embassy. He's sheltering in the Yugoslav embassy. And Kadar says, "Listen, you know, I know that the Nagy stir didn't want this to all go down as it did. He is absolutely free to come out. We won't pursue him. Uh he should just come out and retire to private life and obviously there'll be nothing no one would do anything to him. Now, does Kadar mean this?

It's really impossible to say whether this is completely disingenuous or whether he's reacting to pressure. But what definitely happens is this. He doesn't fulfill any of these promises. He does bring back the secret police. He begins to crack down on dissidents within weeks. And above all, Kadar agrees to Soviet plan to winkle Nagy out of the Yugoslav embassy. He sends Tito a letter and he says, "Look, if if Nagy and his friends come out, we will give them a safe conduct back to their families." So on the 22nd of November, Nagy and co.

leave the Yugoslav embassy and they get on this big bus. And to their horror, it turns out the bus has been organized by the KGB. They're driven to a military academy. They're told to get off the bus and then they're flown to Romania. And in Romania, they're held under house arrest. Meanwhile, so we're now well into the autumn and winter of 1956. Kadar is coming under pressure from other communist governments. Can you crack down a bit more, please? Crack down harder. In fact, in January 1957, a load of other Warsaw Pact leaders visited Budapest and said, "We've come here to show solidarity with you, but also to encourage you, stamp out all dissent, please."

So he Yes, 60s, 70s, 80s. Apart from Yugoslavia, Hungary is definitely the most liberal of the communist countries. So Kadar's ethos, his slogan, his most famous saying, "Those who are not against us are with us." That's a great slogan. Which is, you know, basically, you don't have to be a communist you don't have to like it, but as long as you don't do anything, it's fine and we'll look after you. And that this is the ethos, Tom, of something called goulash communism. Yeah, great. So, if you like goulash, you're laughing.

So basically, what this involves, if you're Hungarian, you have to accept the Communist Party's monopoly of power and you have to accept the alliance with the Soviet Union. And if you just accept those two things, you know, the party is not going to repress you particularly or are not going to force you to live the sort of gray drab life that you might get somewhere else. So, you can go to church. You can travel to the West. You have a bit more freedom. There's a bit more free speech.

You have more washing machines than other people in the Warsaw Pact. So it always comes back to washing machines. So right up until the late 1980s when this all fell apart, Hungary was known as the happiest barracks in Europe because of its more liberal regime. So has this been a terrible story of failure and misery? Not necessarily. So I mentioned Brian Cartledge in his massive history of Hungary. His massive history of Hungary is called The Will to Survive and it's all about kind of Hungarian resilience.

And he sees the revolution as a sort of landmark in that story. It's actually something to be proud of rather than as a failure. I mean, it sounds like it was successful if you Yeah. You're getting your goulash and Well, it basically gives you you've had a terrible time. Hungary's had a terrible history in the first half of the 20th century. You know, fascism, the Holocaust, occupation, all of this. And this is something that even though it lost, it gives the Hungarians something to be proud of.

They've been able to wave their national flag, sing their hymns, they've they've rediscovered what Cartledge calls their national self-respect. And actually, the big loser from all this is not Hungary. The big loser is Soviet communism. Because the Hungarian revolution, you know, you were saying was it a turning point. This deals an irreparable blow to the moral image of Soviet communism. So until even in the 1950s, there were people who said, you know, Stalin was an aberration. Actually, you know, don't forget it was the Red Army who won the Second World War.

Communism is still the best hope for a more equal, kinder future, all of this kind of thing. But after 1956, the Communist Parties across Europe and indeed America, intellectuals walk out and they say, "I can't stomach this." You know, the Soviet repression of the Hungarian revolution was the final straw. So people like E. P. Thompson, the great historian in Britain, Italo Calvino in Italy, even Jean-Paul Sartre, who is usually wrong about absolutely everything, condemned the Soviet invasion of Hungary and said, "That just shows the Soviet Union for what they are."

So I think up till 1956, there were loads of left-wing idealists who were still idealizing the Soviet Union, romanticizing it. But after 1956, never again. Eric Hobsbawm does, doesn't he? I think Eric Hobsbawm does. But of course, the reason that's so well known is that Eric Hobsbawm was an outlier in staying loyal to the party when so many other people say, "This is intolerable. This is too much." Yeah. And I mentioned that guy Peter Fryer, the reporter for the Daily Worker. He wrote a brilliant book, all of which is online, called Hungarian Tragedy.

And in the conclusions to that book, he writes as follows. He says, "We British communists who visited Hungary did not admit even to ourselves the truth about what was taking place there. We defended tyranny with all our heart and soul." This is before 56. But now, he says, "We should admit what Soviet communism has meant for Eastern Europe. Hypocrisy without limit, medieval cruelty, dogmas and slogans devoid of life or meaning, national pride, outrage, poverty for all but a tiny handful of leaders who lived in luxury."

Well, I think he's being harsh on the Middle Ages there, to be honest. When is he writing that? 1956. 1956. Right. He's saying, you know, we have pretended that this was great and actually, let's be honest, it's terrible. And uniquely in the history of The Rest of the History, I'm going to give the last word to the New York Times. So the New York Times said, "The Hungarians have put a brand upon communism as a philosophy of life and government from which it can never recover."

And amazingly, for once, The New York Times was right. Well, The New York Times is often right. I mean, it does it runs excellent profiles of British historians. It does. It does. It's always right when it does that. Yeah. So thank you, Dominic. That was that was tremendous. Um and is there a sporting angle on this story, perhaps featuring a Wolverhampton? Yes. So a lot of people may may be saying, "I'd like to hear more about Hungary and I'd like to hear it from somebody who leans even more into mad Hungarian names than Dominic did."

Is such a man is he is he part of your contact book? He is. And he's also part of yours. So he's a man you play cricket with. Yeah. He is the world's greatest football writer, Jonathan Wilson. And Jonathan Wilson's written the definitive history of Hungarian football, using football as a lens through which to to understand all kinds of interesting things about Hungarian history. So Jewish Hungarians, coffee houses, the Holocaust, the Cold War, all of this kind of stuff is there in his tremendous book. And we have done a bonus series with Jonathan Wilson, exploring really two stories.

One is the Mighty Magyars football team of the 1950s, the greatest football team of the time, and what happened to them and how they were affected by the Hungarian Revolution. But also, how their most celebrated opponents, so that the the Honvéd Army team played a very famous match in 1954 against then the greatest team in the world, greatest club side in the world, the champions of the world some would say, which was Wolverhampton Wanderers. And in doing so, they invented Europe. So this bonus series explores these incredible issues and only club members can get that treat.

Can get that treat. Yeah. Incredible scenes. And you went on location, didn't you? We did. To Budapest and to Wolverhampton. And to Molineux. Absolutely unbelievable. The glamour, the exotic glamour of it all. Incredible. Okay, so next time, this past series, we featured the British and the French teaming up and Yeah. launching a disastrous military expedition. And we have featured the Russians behaving badly. And I'm delighted to say that in our next series, the same themes will be reappearing. Um but in a a slightly more aristocratic ambiance because we are going to be looking at the Charge of the Light Brigade, Lord Cardigan, Lord Lucan, Lord Raglan.

There are a lot of lords, there's a lot of disastrous blunders. Um it's all going to kick off uh and it's going to be great fun. To the Crimean War. We're focusing very much on the Charge of the Light Brigade. Okay. Which is the most glamorous incident in the in the Crimean War. And it's a total debacle, but a glorious debacle. And the club members will be able to get all four episodes on Monday. And if you're not a club member, then go to the restis history.com.

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